1 00:00:05,070 --> 00:00:07,010 Are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? 2 00:00:07,870 --> 00:00:08,870 Yes. 3 00:00:09,090 --> 00:00:13,330 Brian Koberger wants to take back that guilty plea and go to trial. 4 00:00:17,170 --> 00:00:22,550 Open the door for a second. And I saw this guy and he was not insanely tall, 5 00:00:22,610 --> 00:00:26,030 but he's wearing all black and like this mask, which is covering his forehead and 6 00:00:26,030 --> 00:00:27,009 his mouth. 7 00:00:27,010 --> 00:00:31,290 With a killer on the loose, police in Moscow, Idaho, trying to calm a 8 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:32,290 community on edge. 9 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:37,560 Before we're stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time. 10 00:00:38,940 --> 00:00:44,600 There's so much blood at the scene, it's seeping out of the foundation outside of 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,600 the house. 12 00:00:45,660 --> 00:00:50,160 While Mosco searched for a killer, he wasn't hiding at all. 13 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:55,180 Hello, I am Officer Luengus. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Do you know why I stopped you? 15 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:58,700 I was stuck in the middle of the intersection. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,560 Buried in all that data. 17 00:01:02,570 --> 00:01:04,170 was a completely different story. 18 00:01:04,790 --> 00:01:11,590 He looked up a lot of home invasions, burglaries, co-ed killings, serial 19 00:01:11,590 --> 00:01:12,590 killers. 20 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:15,730 And then starts to shop for used cars. 21 00:01:16,350 --> 00:01:18,510 They're denied a trial. They're denied answers. 22 00:01:18,770 --> 00:01:23,010 They're denied the opportunity for Brian Koberger to potentially get the death 23 00:01:23,010 --> 00:01:25,730 penalty. For them, life in prison is not enough. 24 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:27,770 I have to be perfectly candid. 25 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:31,680 I don't believe that there's anything that would come out of his mouth that 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,680 would be the truth. 27 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:38,340 Was he stalking them? Did he want to attack earlier? 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,100 I mean, the amount of planning that went into this crime is a lot. 29 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:47,260 Evil walked into that house and stole their lives. 30 00:01:47,620 --> 00:01:52,360 If you hadn't attacked them in their sleep, in the middle of the night, like 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,840 a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your ass. 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,660 The University of Idaho is the heart of Moscow. 33 00:02:11,060 --> 00:02:14,420 It's a college town of about 25,000 people. 34 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:16,940 Greek life runs everything. 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,300 Everybody knows everybody. 36 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,580 On November 12th, there's a home game. The Vandals are against UC Davis. So of 37 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:28,320 course, everybody's partying. All the students are out. 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,760 Think about yourself in college. 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,700 It's so much fun. You have your whole life ahead of you. You're working hard. 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:35,840 You have your goals. 41 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,620 It's just a good time. 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,680 Police in Moscow, Idaho get a 911 call. 43 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:54,920 911 location of emergency. 44 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:57,140 Hi, something is happening. 45 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,920 Something's happening in our house. We don't know what. 46 00:03:00,650 --> 00:03:02,590 What is the address of the emergency? 47 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:05,250 I'll talk to you guys. 48 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:07,270 1122 King Road. 49 00:03:07,710 --> 00:03:09,470 And tell me exactly what's going on. 50 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:16,290 One of the roommates who's passed out and she was drunk last night and she's 51 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:17,290 not waking up. 52 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:21,370 What is going on currently? Is someone passed out right now? 53 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:24,710 I don't really know, but pretty much at 4 a.m. 54 00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:28,150 Okay. I need to know what's going on right now if someone is passed out. Can 55 00:03:28,150 --> 00:03:29,150 you find that out? 56 00:03:36,060 --> 00:03:41,340 She's not waking up. 57 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Okay, 58 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,100 one moment. I'm getting help started. 59 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Okay, and how old is she? 60 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Hello? 61 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Is she breathing? 62 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,600 No. 63 00:04:11,660 --> 00:04:13,760 Police pull up to this house on King Road. 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,340 It's only steps from campus. 65 00:04:15,660 --> 00:04:18,959 They're expecting to find, hopefully a kid passed out from drinking. 66 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:26,920 I see it. 67 00:04:29,230 --> 00:04:30,129 Where's she at? 68 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:31,130 Where's she at? 69 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:37,630 Where at? 70 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:39,010 Up here? 71 00:04:42,110 --> 00:04:42,510 They 72 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:56,250 go 73 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:58,590 through the front door. They go one floor up. 74 00:04:59,210 --> 00:05:03,210 They find the first body and there is blood everywhere. 75 00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:12,510 On the floor is a female with visible stab 76 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:13,770 wounds. She's deceased. 77 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:18,110 They walk over and they go to the bed. That's where they find a second body. 78 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:22,870 Now this one is a male who is also obviously deceased and cops say it looks 79 00:05:22,870 --> 00:05:24,470 like from sharp force injuries. 80 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,200 Slow down. 81 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,300 Just come here. 82 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:37,260 There's two. 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,360 Looks like fatalities. 84 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:42,720 Let's go ahead and step downstairs. 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,220 Is there anybody else upstairs? 86 00:05:44,660 --> 00:05:45,660 I don't know. 87 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,440 I just grabbed them to make sure. You got your ID with you? 88 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:50,620 No. I can tell you my name. 89 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,280 Okay. Just stand right here. 90 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,640 Nobody else inside? 91 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Is there anyone else inside? 92 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:03,660 Stay here. Stay here. 93 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,700 Moscow Police Department, if you're in here, announce yourself. 94 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:13,700 Moscow Police Department. 95 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:19,420 Police Department. 96 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:27,060 Police Department, we're on 34, coming up. 97 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,800 We got another. 98 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,140 House clear? We're clear, yes. 99 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:42,680 So clean the inside first. You go to the front door. Is there anybody inside? 100 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Is there a dog? 101 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,220 Come here, puppy. 102 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Hi, puppy. 103 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Hi, puppy. 104 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,140 All right, I got the dog. 105 00:06:56,220 --> 00:06:57,920 All right, I got in there. 106 00:06:58,220 --> 00:07:01,520 Start getting everybody's names. You need to start a crime scene log. 107 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:23,690 Well, get your ass into town. We've got a quadruple on the front. 108 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,880 Arriving at the scene, police immediately speak with Dylan Mortensen. 109 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:33,340 She lives at 1122 King Road. And she tells cops that in the middle of the 110 00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:35,320 night, she witnessed some suspicious activity. 111 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:07,440 There's so much blood at the scene, it's seeping out of the foundation outside of 112 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,440 the house. 113 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,020 We know that these homicides occurred in the early morning hours of Sunday, 114 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:15,100 November 13th. 115 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:21,190 Around noon, Moscow officers received a call of an uncautious person. 116 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:28,890 Officers discovered the bodies of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogan, 117 00:08:29,030 --> 00:08:33,549 and Kaylee Goncaves inside the residence on King Road. 118 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:40,330 The four were stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time. 119 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:46,800 Zanna Cronodal was the first victim that police found. She's 20 years old. 120 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,800 Friends are describing her like she is pure sunshine. 121 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:59,760 Hi, my name is Zanna Cronodal. I'm a marketing major here at the University 122 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,739 of Idaho. 123 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:05,940 This is actually King Street, where I've lived the past two years. And I really 124 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:10,560 like just hanging out with my friends all the time and being super involved. 125 00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:16,660 and school events and everything else. So yeah, that's just a little bit about 126 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:17,660 me. 127 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Zanna's a member of Pi Beta Phi sorority. She loves EDM music, hanging 128 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,459 out with friends. 129 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:27,960 Zanna is energetic. She's fun. She's fiercely loyal. 130 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:29,580 She's everybody's best friend. 131 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:37,760 In the same room is her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, also 20 years old, a member of 132 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:38,840 the Sigma Chi fraternity. 133 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:46,500 He was just an outgoing, likable kid and who was a triplet here on campus. He had 134 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,640 two other siblings going to school here at the same time. 135 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:55,680 If everybody was like Ethan Chapin in this world, it would be a better place. 136 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:02,020 Ethan was majoring in something that he wanted to do with sports and recreation. 137 00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:06,700 He was the kid that friends described as always having a smile on his face, 138 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:07,960 always a good time. 139 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,280 They had this unstoppable, loving relationship. 140 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:16,640 They both would look at each other with so much love. 141 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:18,800 Everyone knew they were the perfect duo. 142 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:23,580 They both had this fun, passionate, crazy, but good energy. 143 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:27,340 They both were the kind of people who cared about everyone and would help 144 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:28,340 anyone. 145 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:32,500 The two other victims that the police find are both 21 years old. They're 146 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,900 longtime best friends, Kaylee Gonsalves and Madison Mogan. 147 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:38,700 These girls were absolutely beautiful. 148 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,960 They had been friends. 149 00:10:40,570 --> 00:10:41,610 since sixth grade. 150 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:43,870 And they went to high schools together. 151 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:46,950 Then they started looking at colleges. They came here together. 152 00:10:47,950 --> 00:10:50,190 And in the end, they died together. 153 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:57,250 Kaylee had already moved out. She was only weeks from graduating. 154 00:10:57,590 --> 00:11:01,270 She was planning to move to Austin and had accepted a job in marketing. 155 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:05,110 The whole reason she came back was to show her best friend Maddie her new car. 156 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:09,710 Maddie is... 157 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:10,920 a marketing major. 158 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:18,200 She and Zanna work together at a restaurant in town called the Mad Greek. 159 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,400 Zanna, Maddie, and their two friends, Dylan and Bethany, all live together at 160 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,840 1122 King Road. 161 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,500 Ethan and Kaylee were just visiting for the night. 162 00:11:50,990 --> 00:11:55,530 They're all in sororities. These are just quintessential college students 163 00:11:55,530 --> 00:11:56,750 just enjoying themselves. 164 00:11:57,850 --> 00:12:04,630 They left behind hundreds of photos and 165 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:08,170 videos of the four of them dancing in the kitchen, laughing in the living 166 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:09,170 room. 167 00:12:09,850 --> 00:12:12,490 The same house where they'd be killed. 168 00:12:13,130 --> 00:12:17,250 Given that Dylan and Bethany are left completely unharmed the night of the 169 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:19,590 attack, the first question is, how do they survive? 170 00:12:41,810 --> 00:12:45,990 Dylan says she thought she heard Kaylee running downstairs, but based on the 171 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:48,950 crime scene, it was more likely that it was Zanna that she heard running. 172 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:52,070 I walked around that house on King Road. 173 00:12:53,050 --> 00:12:58,970 Many times on my trips to Moscow, I think just the absolute carnage is 174 00:12:58,970 --> 00:13:01,030 so unbelievable. 175 00:13:01,650 --> 00:13:05,270 What is your opinion overall about the autopsy reports? 176 00:13:05,950 --> 00:13:12,590 I read a lot of autopsy reports over the years. And by my standards, the 177 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:18,310 brutality involved in this case, you know, exceeds some of my understanding. 178 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:21,930 It was a destructive event. There is no way. 179 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:28,360 that anyone will ever fully appreciate, and I hope no one ever does, what went 180 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,860 on in that house that night relative to the brutality that was exacted on these 181 00:13:32,860 --> 00:13:38,120 kids. We believe this was an isolated, targeted attack on our victims. 182 00:13:38,820 --> 00:13:43,500 We do not have a suspect at this time, and that individual is still out there. 183 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,760 We cannot say that there's no threat to the community, and as we have stated, 184 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:49,900 please stay vigilant. 185 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,080 Report any suspicious activity. 186 00:13:52,820 --> 00:13:57,380 And be aware of your surroundings at all times. And can you also give a little 187 00:13:57,380 --> 00:14:01,320 more information on the forced entry? There's no sign of forced entry, but was 188 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,260 the door, did it seem like any of the entries were left unlocked by any means? 189 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,880 We're not 100% sure if the door was unlocked. There was no damage to 190 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,500 anything, and the door was still open when we got there. 191 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,960 Did you ever find the back slugger open or anything? 192 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,220 Is that usually locked? What's the condition? I mean, we're pretty good at 193 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:21,960 locking it. I don't think we locked it last night. 194 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,560 So this leads us to believe that maybe the killer had been there before, that 195 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,640 he'd been in that home, that he was acquainted with it, or at the very 196 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:35,760 least, he knew the victims. 197 00:14:38,020 --> 00:14:43,320 So the most likely point of entry would have been that sliding glass door in the 198 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,340 backside of the house. 199 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:50,960 The back of the house is also much darker, and there's a parking area back 200 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,100 there that is just a quick walk in the dark straight to that door. 201 00:15:00,710 --> 00:15:02,310 This was a known party house. 202 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:08,390 Back in August, police came to the house for a noise complaint. 203 00:15:18,190 --> 00:15:24,590 And then 204 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:29,410 Labor Day weekend, the cops are called again to the house. 205 00:15:30,650 --> 00:15:36,690 This time, police can't find one person who is a renter or resident of this home 206 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:38,370 to come and answer the noise complaint. 207 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:44,570 Later 208 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:55,510 that 209 00:15:55,510 --> 00:15:59,210 night, police are called back a second time for another noise complaint. 210 00:16:00,090 --> 00:16:05,030 hello miss what's your name xana xana do you live here yes this is the second 211 00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:09,670 noise complaint we've had here tonight within two hours i'm sorry okay noise 212 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:14,150 complaints parties people coming and going it's a house a lot of people had 213 00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:17,910 access to even when the girls weren't home it sounds like the code is fairly 214 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:23,490 well known to the front door for my people i mean only people that like know 215 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:27,470 us like brand people would not know okay the front door code 216 00:16:47,579 --> 00:16:52,340 The two surviving roommates, Dylan and Bethany, they're crucial for police to 217 00:16:52,340 --> 00:16:55,000 start putting together a timeline of what happened leading up to the 218 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 quadruple homicides. 219 00:16:59,690 --> 00:17:04,990 At 8.57 p.m., Kaylee Gonzalez posts this photo. It is a chilling image. 220 00:17:09,450 --> 00:17:11,170 You see Kaylee there smiling. 221 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:15,430 Maddie's perched on her shoulders. Ethan has an arm hooked over his girlfriend, 222 00:17:15,650 --> 00:17:16,650 Zanna. 223 00:17:17,490 --> 00:17:21,030 All four of the victims are just there together earlier that day. 224 00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:26,430 Later in the night, they kind of splinter off. 225 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,560 What time did you guys get to sit and cut ourselves in? 226 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,800 Around 8, something. 227 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:38,560 8.30 p.m.? Something like that, yeah. 228 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,360 Okay. 229 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,860 And prior to that, were you guys just at your house? Mm-hmm. You could see left 230 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:48,680 from your house? He then was at formal, because he met with his sister. She 231 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,680 didn't have a date. 232 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:53,320 Okay. And we were just hanging out at our house. 233 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,520 And then he came over, and then we all walked over together. 234 00:17:57,210 --> 00:18:03,210 Okay, so that was you, Ethan, Xana, was there another person with you? Or just 235 00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:05,410 the three of you? Maddie walked over with us. 236 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:09,270 Were you guys all pretty much together or just kind of mingling throughout the 237 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:10,269 house most of the day? 238 00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:15,710 We were all pretty much together and then Maddie left to go to the club with 239 00:18:15,710 --> 00:18:16,710 Kaylee. 240 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:20,010 And then I was with Ethan and Xana most of the night. 241 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:23,410 How many total drinks do you think you had by that point? 242 00:18:33,370 --> 00:18:37,790 They all leave Sigma Chi at different times. By 1 a.m., Bethany is back at the 243 00:18:37,790 --> 00:18:39,570 house on King Road watching TV. 244 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:46,710 Meanwhile, Kaylee and Maddie headed out to a local bar called The Corner Club. 245 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:55,240 1.30 rolls around, they head out and they go to a popular nighttime food stop 246 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,880 called a grub truck where they pick up some pasta. 247 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:03,000 And we see them on this Twitch video looking like typical college girls. 248 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:07,840 They're laughing, they're on their phones. 249 00:19:10,420 --> 00:19:13,220 They take a private car service and by 2 a.m. they're home. 250 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,040 So you were in there sleeping? 251 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:19,620 Okay. 252 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:24,940 Dylan got to your room maybe somewhere around 420-ish, but Dylan was already 253 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:26,000 home at that point. 254 00:19:26,260 --> 00:19:27,260 Mm-hmm. 255 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,760 You knew that Maddie and Kaylee were home. 256 00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:33,420 Do you know when anyone else in the house got home? 257 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,740 I don't know when Zanna or Ethan got home. I didn't hear them come in or 258 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:39,040 anything. Okay. 259 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:46,480 And last time you saw Zanna and Ethan, was it the same guys? 260 00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:52,320 The girls catch up with Bethany for a bit, and then they decide to get ready 261 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,320 for bed. 262 00:20:15,530 --> 00:20:16,830 And then I went to it. 263 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:18,390 Okay. 264 00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:23,490 Was he a skittish dog? Was he friendly? Did he bark at anything that moved? 265 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:25,310 He was pretty friendly. 266 00:20:26,430 --> 00:20:30,310 He didn't bark that often, but he would bark sometimes. 267 00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:35,170 So there's not some dogs where they're scared of their own shadow, and they 268 00:20:35,170 --> 00:20:37,170 just bark and run and hide? No, he was a good dog. 269 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:38,570 Okay. 270 00:20:42,010 --> 00:20:44,110 By 3.30 a.m., everyone was home. 271 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,880 But Dylan woke up to some commotion in the middle of the night and what she 272 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,260 heard and saw was absolutely terrifying 273 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,260 So she goes back to her room, but she believes she then hears someone faintly 274 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:31,040 crying and a voice saying, it's okay, I'm here to help you. 275 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:34,120 We presume at this point, those are the words of the killer. 276 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:50,540 So again, she opens the door, peeks out, doesn't see anything, closes the door, 277 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,560 and gets back into bed. 278 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:00,280 Then she opens the door a third time, and what she sees shakes her to her 279 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,280 core. 280 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,500 I opened the door for a second, and I saw this guy, and he was... 281 00:22:39,969 --> 00:22:43,950 This figure clad in black clothing and a ski mask. 282 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,760 walks past Dylan, and she stands there frozen in shock. 283 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,280 Police 284 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:11,800 at 285 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,680 this point assume that masked person has fled the scene. 286 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,080 terrified, Dylan starts texting and calling everyone else in the house, but 287 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,120 only Bethany answers. 288 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,000 At first, Bethany seems skeptical about Dylan's story, suggesting maybe she just 289 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,100 saw Zanna in the house. But the more details Dylan gives, the more concerned 290 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:40,100 Bethany gets. 291 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:56,890 Did she tell you about whether this person had anything in his hand? 292 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:59,010 It looked like a vacuum. 293 00:23:59,930 --> 00:24:04,510 And you didn't call 911? You didn't reach out to anybody else? I thought she 294 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:05,970 was like magic. 295 00:24:06,190 --> 00:24:09,230 I mean, she was still half asleep and still drunkish. 296 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,040 We really don't know how intoxicated Dylan and Bethany were, but the other 297 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,380 kids in the house had blood alcohol levels between roughly 1.3 and 3.5 times 298 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:23,680 the legal driving limit. The alcohol combined with the late hour and the 299 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,160 effects of fear, it's really possible that those factors help explain why no 300 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,160 one called 911. 301 00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:40,370 Based on cell phone data and the information that they got from Bethany 302 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:45,310 and Dylan, police are narrowing down the timeline of the murders from between 4 303 00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:47,230 and 4.25 a.m. 304 00:24:48,430 --> 00:24:51,710 Something else we learned from the cell phone data, Zanna gets a DoorDash 305 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:54,710 delivery at 4 o'clock in the morning, pretty much on the button. 306 00:24:55,930 --> 00:25:01,670 Then her phone reports that she was on TikTok at 4.12 a.m. 307 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,640 But the phones aren't the only things that are recording that morning. Less 308 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,580 than 50 feet from Zanna's bedroom wall, a neighbor's security camera is running. 309 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,020 And at 4.17 a.m., it picks up a sound. 310 00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:57,820 right after it happened is that 421 422 430 she made these 311 00:25:57,820 --> 00:26:03,060 phone calls immediately after the thing okay okay 312 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:10,640 Police immediately start working to secure the crime scene and collect 313 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760 evidence in the hopes of finding out who did this. 314 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:35,650 from dawn till late at night. 315 00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:40,570 The story starts to captivate the nation. 316 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:45,530 Multiple victims, two survivors in a college town, and a killer on the loose? 317 00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:46,670 You can't look away. 318 00:26:46,790 --> 00:26:50,870 With a killer on the loose, police in Moscow, Idaho, trying to calm a 319 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:51,870 community on edge. 320 00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:53,770 This just doesn't happen here. 321 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:55,250 We're 100 feet away. 322 00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:58,230 You know, how close was this person? Are they still around? 323 00:26:58,530 --> 00:27:00,270 Like, it's so scary. 324 00:27:01,060 --> 00:27:05,240 I've walked at night in Moscow, and I haven't worried, but this is going to 325 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040 flip a lot of that upside down. 326 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:09,940 In some ways, this took our innocence. 327 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,340 You guys have said repeatedly that there's no threat to the public, but we 328 00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:19,300 don't know who the suspect is. We don't know where he's at. How is there no 329 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:20,560 threat to the public at this point? 330 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,160 Well, that's kind of an unknown. The individual is still out there, right? We 331 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,860 need to be vigilant. We need to watch out for our neighbors. 332 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:33,920 The reality is there's still a person out there who committed four horrible, 333 00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:34,959 horrible crimes. 334 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,940 So I think we've got to go back to there is a threat out there still. 335 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,620 At this crime scene, we collected 103 pieces of individual evidence. 336 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:49,980 We took approximately 4,000 photographs. 337 00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:56,100 We've conducted multiple 3D scans of the residents, and we have hundreds of hours 338 00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:00,280 used by technicians and investigators, including our forensics team and 339 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,860 detectives from multiple agencies. 340 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,520 Police are really tight-lipped to the public, but a key piece of evidence that 341 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,700 they uncover during the investigation is a K-bar knife sheath that was uncovered 342 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,180 partially underneath Madison Mogan's body on the bed. 343 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,720 It's a K-bar knife sheath, which is a military-style knife. 344 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,480 The Marine Corps insignia is stamped on the sheath, which is leather. 345 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:31,300 That knife wasn't from the kitchen, which means it was brought there by the 346 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,120 killer, which also means this was planned. 347 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,580 The four were stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time. 348 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,000 What we don't know. 349 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,890 The identity and location of the suspect. 350 00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:52,090 The location of the knife or any clothing that was worn by the suspect. 351 00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:57,590 And we continue looking for what we believe to be a fixed blade knife used 352 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:58,590 in the murders. 353 00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:02,810 A week after the killings, the Idaho State Police Crime Lab locates a single 354 00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:06,890 source of male DNA on the snap of that knife sheath. 355 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,100 They run the DNA through CODIS, that's the FBI's database of offender DNA, and 356 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:12,919 they don't get a match. 357 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,860 So on November 22nd, nine days after the murders, the Moscow Police Department 358 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:20,040 personally delivers that male DNA to Othram Labs. 359 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:24,720 It's a Texas-based private company that specializes in advanced DNA testing and 360 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,720 forensic genealogy. 361 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,280 Building out a genetic family tree takes time. 362 00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:33,370 So while Othram Labs is studying the DNA on the knife sheath, Moscow 363 00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:37,310 investigators are scouring surveillance cameras around the neighborhood around 364 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:40,730 the times of the murder, and immediately one vehicle jumps out. 365 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:55,550 The same white sedan makes three passes around the house between 3.30 and 3.58 a 366 00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:56,550 .m. 367 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,800 At 3.59 a.m., Zanna's DoorDash order is dropped off at the house. 368 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,860 And just five minutes later, at 4.04 a.m., that same white sedan is seen 369 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:19,700 entering the area a fourth time. 370 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:24,100 At 4.07 a.m., the sedan heads back in the direction of the house. 371 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,820 Zanna's phone lock reveals she was on TikTok from 4.12 to 4.16 a.m. 372 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,740 Then at 4.17.32, the security camera across the street picks up the sound of 373 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:37,980 screaming and a thud. 374 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,480 This matches up with Dylan's description of hearing Zanna say someone's here. 375 00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:53,560 And at 4.20 a.m., that white sedan is seen peeling out away from the house. 376 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,340 Now we're narrowing the timeline down even more. 4.07 a.m. to 4.20 a.m. That 377 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:11,400 is 13 minutes for someone to take four lives. 378 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:19,720 The person who entered this home to commit these crimes very likely knew 379 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,040 exactly where they were going within the house. 380 00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:28,620 Police take all the footage of this white sedan and they give it to FBI 381 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,220 forensic examiners who come back with a make and a model. 382 00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:36,050 They say it's likely a 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra, but then that gets 383 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:39,490 adjusted to a 2014 to 2016 Hyundai Elantra. 384 00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:45,610 Problem is, there are approximately 22,000 registered vehicles in the Moscow 385 00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:49,810 area that match this description, making this a needle-in-a-haystack search for 386 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:50,810 law enforcement. 387 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:55,770 Luckily, after 18 days on December 10th, Othram Labs finally completes their 388 00:31:55,770 --> 00:31:59,530 work. It determines the DNA on the knife sheath belongs to an Italian-American 389 00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:00,590 family in Pennsylvania. 390 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:05,740 The FBI then cross-checks the individuals on this family tree against 391 00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:09,820 the 22,000 registered Hyundai Elantras in the Moscow area. 392 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:14,900 On December 19th, they get a match and identify the owner of a 2015 Hyundai 393 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:20,480 Elantra. The FBI calls Moscow police with a name, Brian Christopher Koberger, 394 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:26,120 6 feet tall, 185 pounds, and bushy eyebrows, just like Dylan described. 395 00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:36,270 Within two weeks of the murders, police are running down information on this 396 00:32:36,270 --> 00:32:37,410 Brian Koberger. 397 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:43,250 They learn that he's a PhD student at Washington State University studying 398 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:49,010 criminology and that he lives off campus just eight miles from where the murders 399 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:50,010 took place. 400 00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:52,690 He's also a teaching assistant in the criminology department. 401 00:32:55,210 --> 00:32:56,330 And that's not all. 402 00:32:56,550 --> 00:33:00,870 Ryan Koberger holds an undergraduate degree in psychology and cloud-based 403 00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:02,790 forensics from DeSales University. 404 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:06,870 Ryan Koberger. 405 00:33:16,270 --> 00:33:22,070 At DeSales, Koberger surveyed former inmates about their criminal thought 406 00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:23,270 process and planning. 407 00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:30,990 While he was at DeSales University, he studied under this renowned expert in 408 00:33:30,990 --> 00:33:36,410 serial killers, Katherine Ramsland. She quite literally wrote the book on the 409 00:33:36,410 --> 00:33:37,650 BTK killer. 410 00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:43,410 For me, it was advancing criminology, making a contribution to my field in 411 00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:44,410 forensic psychology. 412 00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:50,210 It seemed Koberger had every intention of a career in law enforcement. 413 00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:54,010 He actually applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in 414 00:33:54,010 --> 00:33:55,010 the fall of 2022. 415 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,640 And in his criminology classes, of course they're going to talk about this 416 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,560 gruesome quadruple homicide not 10 miles away. 417 00:34:08,739 --> 00:34:12,960 Police talked to classmates and acquaintances of Brian's who described 418 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,520 him as quieter and visibly disheveled in the weeks following the murders. 419 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,639 Koberger's not from the Washington or Idaho area. He actually grew up in 420 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,719 eastern Pennsylvania near the Poconos. 421 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,739 He's one of three. He's got two sisters. 422 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:39,639 Back in high school, Koberger was described as being pretty overweight and 423 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,179 that he was bullied. 424 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,239 And that sometime between his junior and his senior year, he dropped like 100 425 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,120 pounds. And there was a switch in his personality when suddenly he kind of 426 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,120 became the bully. 427 00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:02,130 Kohlberger had some small brushes with law enforcement prior to the murders, 428 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:03,850 but nothing really seemed alarming at the time. 429 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:08,590 Do you have your license, the registration, insurance? 430 00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:12,610 Were you wearing your seatbelt when I stopped you? 431 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:14,310 No. 432 00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:17,590 That's no good. 433 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:20,830 Just being honest with you. 434 00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:22,150 Yeah, I appreciate that. 435 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:25,030 When he gets pulled over three months prior... 436 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,020 Koberger seems calm, friendly, maybe a little awkward. 437 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,700 He's asking the officer questions. 438 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,000 He 439 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:41,520 uses 440 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,740 the stop to almost kind of pump the officer for information. 441 00:36:02,879 --> 00:36:07,280 with it with a seat belt like this i didn't um check as i was coming up so 442 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,120 that's why i asked you i should i noticed you weren't wearing it and i'm 443 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,880 on this emphasis and um like i said i'm getting paid by icd and they want to sit 444 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,700 and force the seat belt law so so i was being more aware of that that's where 445 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,120 i'm coming from okay 446 00:36:24,830 --> 00:36:26,010 All right, have a good night. 447 00:36:28,070 --> 00:36:31,790 One month before the murders, Coburger is pulled over a second time, this time 448 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:32,790 for running a red light. 449 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:36,310 Hello. Hi, I'm Officer Luengus. Stops being audio and video recorded. 450 00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:39,330 I think you know why I stopped you. You ran the red light. 451 00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:42,410 What actually happened was I was stuck in the middle of the intersection. 452 00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:44,590 Yeah, I was behind you the whole time. 453 00:36:44,830 --> 00:36:48,030 Yeah. So technically you're not supposed to enter the intersection. 454 00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:51,650 Again, he's peppering the officers with questions. 455 00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:55,050 Yeah, there was a little bit of confusion with speeding because someone 456 00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:56,670 had stopped. 457 00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:01,570 I wasn't sure what they were doing, and then they put on their light to turn. 458 00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:04,150 So I thought that maybe they were letting me go through. 459 00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:05,530 Did you see that? 460 00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:06,590 No. 461 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:10,590 Yeah, like right before I made the turn, there was someone who made a right. 462 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:15,010 They didn't have their signal on, so I wasn't sure if they were just waiting. 463 00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:21,030 Yeah, so I would just advise just don't enter the intersection until... 464 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,480 Now remember, we're one month after the murders. The public still has no idea 465 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,380 who he is. They've never heard his name. They're still gripped with fear because 466 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,800 no suspect has been named. 467 00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:48,860 Law enforcement has established several key points connecting Brian Koberger to 468 00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:49,860 the quadruple homicide. 469 00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:54,050 He owns a white Hyundai Elantra. He lives in Pullman, Washington, which is 470 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:55,610 only miles from the crime scene. 471 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:59,970 DNA found at the scene has been linked to his family, and his appearance 472 00:37:59,970 --> 00:38:04,270 matches the one that Dylan gave police of the intruder that night. 473 00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:09,450 Koberger is a strong suspect, but it's not enough. 474 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:13,850 Investigators still need more evidence, stronger evidence, in order to make an 475 00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:14,799 arrest. 476 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,140 The cell phone data for Brian Koberger's phone comes back, and it shows that on 477 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:23,560 the night of the murders, his phone is kind of near his apartment at about 2.42 478 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,380 in the morning, and then it is traveling towards Moscow. 479 00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:32,980 But at 2.47, the phone goes completely offline. 480 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,860 It just vanishes, and police believe that he either turned his phone off or 481 00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:41,260 put it in airplane mode. 482 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,880 in an effort to conceal his location. 483 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,620 Then the phone doesn't ping a cell phone tower until 4.48 a.m. And it pings the 484 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:52,800 tower located south of Moscow. 485 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,460 Later that morning, Brian's seen running errands at Albertsons and Costco. 486 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:07,100 Brian doesn't have a Costco card, though, so... 487 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,860 They won't let him in the door. He doesn't seem anxious or disheveled at 488 00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:12,860 all. 489 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,760 So just five days after the murder, records show that Koberger gets a new 490 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,240 license plate. He registers his car in Washington State. 491 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,480 Before, he had Pennsylvania plates. 492 00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:31,720 Inside the DMV, Koberger is kind of calm, chatty. It's the same sort of 493 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:35,160 demeanor he displayed with the police officers. Even a little curious. 494 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:36,460 Hello. Hi. 495 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,480 Then, 496 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:03,500 on December 7th, Moscow police announced they're searching for a white Hyundai 497 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:04,500 Elantra. 498 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,960 While Moscow police search for the car, word hasn't quite reached other local 499 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,960 police departments nationwide. 500 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,760 On December 13th, a license plate reader picks up Brian's new Washington plate in 501 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,760 Loma, Colorado. 502 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:21,640 And two days later, Brian Koberger is going to have yet another encounter with 503 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,640 law enforcement. 504 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,780 So when he's pulled over in Indiana on December 15th, it's totally random. It 505 00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:30,760 has nothing to do with the case. And to Indiana police, he's just another 506 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,760 tailgater. 507 00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:33,940 Hello? 508 00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:36,090 How you doing? How y'all doing today? 509 00:40:37,470 --> 00:40:38,408 Good, good. 510 00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:40,570 Take a look at your driver's license real quick if I could. 511 00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:44,330 See, he's right up on that van, man. 512 00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:49,310 Koberger's father had come out to Washington for a pre-planned trip where 513 00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:53,110 they were going to drive his car back to Pennsylvania for the holidays. 514 00:40:54,070 --> 00:40:55,070 Where are you headed? 515 00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:56,450 Well, 516 00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:00,970 we're coming from WSU. 517 00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:03,910 Well, do me a favor, don't follow too close, okay? 518 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:05,840 The officer lets him off with a warning. 519 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:07,238 Thank you. 520 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,240 Appreciate you. 521 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:16,340 Nine minutes later, they are pulled over a second time. 522 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,480 Well, 523 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,680 I'm not going to give you guys another ticket or warning if you just got 524 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,440 stopped. Just make sure you give yourself plenty of room, okay? 525 00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:31,800 They're let off a second time with a verbal warning. 526 00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:37,970 On December 16th, Brian and his father arrive at the Koberger family home in 527 00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:39,050 Albrightville, Pennsylvania. 528 00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:42,750 And within a week, police are surveilling this place round the clock. 529 00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:50,690 Pretty much every time Koberger exits the home, he's wearing rubber surgical 530 00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:51,690 gloves. 531 00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:58,070 They witness him cleaning his white Hyundai Elantra top to bottom. 532 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,040 Law enforcement grabs a used Q-tip from the Koberger's family's trash, and from 533 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,840 it, they're able to extract a male DNA sample. 534 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:16,000 Testing them reveals with a 99.99% certainty that the DNA from the Q-tip 535 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,640 belongs to the biological father of whoever left the DNA on that knife 536 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,420 sheath. This essentially confirms that Michael Koberger is the father of the 537 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:29,200 person who killed Zanna, Maddie, Ethan, and Kaylee. 538 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,140 It's enough to make an arrest on Brian Koberger. 539 00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:39,220 A suspect has been arrested in the murders of the four university students. 540 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,580 An arrest in connection to the murders of four University of Idaho students. A 541 00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:47,460 suspect has been arrested in Pennsylvania in connection with the 542 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:50,420 November murders of four University of Idaho students. 543 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,040 Detectives arrested 28 year old. 544 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:03,060 Brian Christopher Kohlberger on a warrant for murder of Ethan, 545 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:07,900 Zaina, Madison, and Kaylee. 546 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:15,220 Police also impound the white Hyundai Elantra from in front of the house. It's 547 00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:17,100 basically a mobile crime scene. 548 00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:27,600 Four days later, Koberger makes his first court appearance in Pennsylvania. 549 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,960 Hey, Brian. How are you feeling? 550 00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:32,220 How are you feeling, Brian? 551 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,440 Are you ready to go to Idaho? 552 00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:41,900 And after being charged, Brian Koberger is extradited back to Idaho to face his 553 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:42,900 charges. 554 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,380 So now Brian Coburger makes his first court appearance in Idaho. 555 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,460 He does not enter any kind of plea. 556 00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:07,180 The same day Coburger is arrested, investigators search Brian's home and 557 00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:12,140 apartment. They find kind of nothing. It was pretty much stripped bare. There 558 00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:13,400 aren't a lot of personal belongings. 559 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,800 DNA, surveillance footage, cell phone data. The prosecution has a very strong 560 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,800 case. 561 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,900 Law enforcement starts analyzing Brian Koberger's cell phone data immediately 562 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:30,140 after his arrest. And they discover that he was within 100 yards of 1122 King 563 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:34,900 Road 23 times between July and November of 2022. 564 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:39,840 Was he stalking them? Did he want to attack earlier? 565 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:43,600 The amount of planning that went into this crime is a lot. 566 00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:52,770 After Brian Koberger arrives in Idaho, he's charged with four counts of first 567 00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:56,590 -degree murder and one count of felony burglary. His attorneys plead not guilty 568 00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:57,549 on his behalf. 569 00:44:57,550 --> 00:45:01,370 And so starts the two and a half years process of the prosecution and the 570 00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:02,490 defense preparing for trial. 571 00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:13,210 Prosecutors hire digital forensic experts Heather and Jarrett Barnhart to 572 00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:14,330 look through Brian's phone. 573 00:45:14,610 --> 00:45:20,090 They search for any telling digital fingerprints that can help bolster the 574 00:45:20,090 --> 00:45:21,210 state's case against Brian. 575 00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:28,210 It was late spring of 2023 when the FBI reached out, seeing if I was interested 576 00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:29,210 in assisting. 577 00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:34,110 What they found wasn't just what was there, it's what had clearly been 578 00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:35,110 erased. 579 00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:42,350 Ultimately, he used incognito mode in Google Chrome to try to sort of obscure 580 00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:45,070 the records that could be recorded about his web history. 581 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:49,040 He turned off his Wi-Fi. But as you start to build this profile of all of 582 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,340 the behaviors that he did, especially around the time of the crime, he set up 583 00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:57,680 his device to be dumb, minimally collecting data. 584 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,660 The erasure had a very specific timestamp, and it's important because it 585 00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:03,700 links to Brian's behavior leading up to the crime. 586 00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:06,580 He turned off Wi-Fi two days prior to the murder. 587 00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:10,520 He powered off his phone. It was at 100% battery. 588 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,660 We're going to testify with 100% certainty that's what he did. 589 00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:16,050 That was preparation. 590 00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:20,730 That was him doing an action that he thought would help him get away with it. 591 00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:25,030 We had the data that this phone had been in the area of the home many, many 592 00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:29,110 times. That whole timeline that's been put out there. But now we have the 593 00:46:29,110 --> 00:46:33,470 actual device. We actually have the phone and could match that up. That was 594 00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:34,730 a big piece of it. 595 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:40,600 But buried in the data itself was an entirely different story. One that gives 596 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,480 investigators a look into who Brian Koberger is. 597 00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:48,800 There didn't seem to be another person in his life based on the evidence we 598 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,060 looked at that filled any of his time. 599 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,020 There's not a friend that got consistent messages. There was pretty much nothing 600 00:46:56,020 --> 00:46:58,460 except for his communication with his parents. 601 00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,680 Mother and father. 602 00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:02,220 That's what he called them. 603 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:14,470 Koberger's search history truly paints a picture of an evil mind. 604 00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:21,990 He looked up a lot of home invasions, burglaries, co-ed killings, 605 00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:23,430 serial killers. 606 00:47:24,430 --> 00:47:29,190 There was one search, Danny Rawling, the Gainesville Ripper. He's a co-ed killer, 607 00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:30,308 same knife. 608 00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:35,010 There were a lot of details there that were just too eerie. And then as Jared 609 00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:36,510 dove into the phone, there was even more. 610 00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:49,970 On Christmas 2022, so after the crime, late at night and into the early morning 611 00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:55,010 of the 26th, he was just like working through serial killers. 612 00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:58,670 And the site was specifically serial killer timelines. 613 00:47:59,390 --> 00:48:03,990 And so it just basically has this list of a bunch of serial killers. And it 614 00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:08,230 seemed, based on the timing of it, that he was just clicking one, scanning, 615 00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:11,570 reading, and then going back and clicking the next one, how they were 616 00:48:11,570 --> 00:48:14,450 raised. what their childhood was like with their parents. 617 00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:17,550 It wasn't only violence that he was drawn to. 618 00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:22,430 The consistent nature of the searches were non-consensual sex acts. 619 00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:27,970 Seeing pornography is not weird, but the fact that this person had non 620 00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:33,310 -consensual, specifically only that, not one other thing that was a consensual 621 00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:36,370 sex act. They were all aggressive or drugged. 622 00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:37,810 Or sleeping. 623 00:48:38,410 --> 00:48:41,190 Voyeurism. It was all consistently non-consensual things. 624 00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:48,470 And in the days after, that same sense of nerve showed up again and again and 625 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:50,890 again. And this was something that investigators couldn't ignore. 626 00:48:51,250 --> 00:48:53,710 Yeah, that this thumbs up with sort of the Band-Aid. 627 00:48:54,510 --> 00:49:00,770 As soon as I saw it, it catches your eye, you know, because his knuckles look 628 00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:07,730 just so white. And like, it reminded me of like scrubbing your hands for 629 00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:09,370 days to try to get something off. 630 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,420 And then there's this like Band-Aid that's visible that's, you know, like 631 00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:14,720 just barely visible in the picture. 632 00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:20,200 The hoodie picture as well. It's been like sort of a popular one in the case 633 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,200 as well. 634 00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:23,580 The general behavior. 635 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,460 He read something on the news that said police still looking for Hyundai 636 00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:33,360 Elantra, white in color, this year to this year, you know, make and model. 637 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,720 Within minutes, he searches for a car detailing place and then starts to shop 638 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:39,720 for used cars. 639 00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:43,240 About a year and a half into trial prep, Brian's defense team discloses his 640 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,240 alibi. 641 00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:49,520 He finally said what he was doing on the night of the quadruple murders and how 642 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,940 he was not there and he is not the one responsible. 643 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,080 And take a guess what he was doing. 644 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,040 Driving in the night by himself looking at the moon and the stars. 645 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:00,700 No. 646 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,780 We know Zanna was awake at the time Brian entered the house because of her 647 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:08,100 phone log and her DoorDash order. 648 00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:12,440 Investigators believe Zanna heard Murphy barking and that she heard the commotion 649 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,160 upstairs in Maddie's room, so she came out of her bedroom to see what was going 650 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,160 on. 651 00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:21,620 We know how intense the struggle was. It was evidenced by all of those defensive 652 00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:23,100 wounds on Zanna's body. 653 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:26,080 Ultimately, she collapsed in the doorway of her bedroom. 654 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,440 You've got people that are reactive. 655 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:33,380 You've got individuals that are fighting back. You've got a perpetrator that is 656 00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:35,240 in the midst of a massacre. 657 00:50:36,010 --> 00:50:39,490 During the two and a half years of preparing for trial, some of the 658 00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:42,470 victims' families expressed their frustration at just how long the 659 00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:44,990 judicial process is taking. There's countless delays. 660 00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:51,910 Then, just weeks before this trial is set to begin, bombshell. 661 00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:56,670 There is going to be no trial in the Brian Coburger case. This is breaking 662 00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:58,570 news. Just came in an hour ago. 663 00:50:58,830 --> 00:51:00,150 I am not going to lie. 664 00:51:00,650 --> 00:51:02,690 I did not expect this. 665 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:07,190 If the defendant wants to avoid trial, he only has one option, and that's to 666 00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:12,630 plead guilty as charged to all five felonies, waive appeal so it's final and 667 00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:19,450 conclusive and it won't go on for years as capital cases are wont to do, and 668 00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:22,830 know that he was going to be spending the rest of his life in prison. 669 00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:26,030 Did you? 670 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,540 On November 13, 2022, 671 00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:34,460 we enter the residence at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho, with the intent to 672 00:51:34,460 --> 00:51:36,540 commit the felony crime of murder. Yes. 673 00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:43,720 Even when Judge Stephen Hippler delivers this emotional statement, this moment in 674 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:48,420 the courtroom, the only thing Brian Koberger can offer is a blank stare. 675 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,680 During the quiet morning hours of November 13, 2022... 676 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,400 A faceless coward breached the tranquility of six beautiful young 677 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,520 people and senselessly slaughtered four of them. 678 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,140 Even if I could force him to speak, which legally I cannot, how could anyone 679 00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:10,500 ever be assured that what he speaks is the truth? 680 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,120 I hereby sentence Mr. Kohlberger as follows. 681 00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:16,400 On count one, burglary. 682 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,180 Ten years fixed. 683 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:20,080 First degree murder. 684 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:21,400 I sentence the defendant. 685 00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:25,650 to a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. 686 00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:31,110 The sentences on counts one, two, three, four, and five shall run consecutively 687 00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:32,110 to one another. 688 00:52:34,590 --> 00:52:41,270 We were asked if we had ever been offered a plea deal or gave one. We're 689 00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:43,270 not in it. We're in it for the death penalty. 690 00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:47,710 The choice is he could be fired at or he could take a shot. 691 00:52:48,070 --> 00:52:49,170 Those are the two. 692 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,800 options that we would agree to. 693 00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:56,040 Kaylee and Zana's families are furious. 694 00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:58,640 They're denied a trial. They're denied closure. 695 00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:00,000 They're denied explanation. 696 00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:05,260 It looks like the Gonsalves family is the first to come out of the Ada County 697 00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:08,600 Courthouse right there. Let's take a look and a listen to see what they have 698 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,238 to say. 699 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,860 The negotiation wasn't, wasn't justice. 700 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,120 It was just a, it was a shortcut. 701 00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:19,930 We said from the very beginning, we're not interested in a shortcut for our 702 00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:24,110 daughter. When the prosecution followed the same path we've seen before, closed 703 00:53:24,110 --> 00:53:28,470 doors, limited input, and a plea deal handed down without our voice, it became 704 00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:31,830 painfully clear that Kaylee was being treated just like another case. 705 00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:36,450 Madison and Ethan's families, they support the plea deal as much as you can 706 00:53:36,450 --> 00:53:39,070 in a situation like this, just for the sake of closure. 707 00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:42,610 We love you, Maddie, and we miss you. 708 00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:44,230 We support. 709 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,040 the plea agreement 100%. While we know there are some who do not support it, we 710 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,020 ask that they respect our belief that this is the best outcome possible for 711 00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:56,280 the victims, their families, and the state of Idaho. 712 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,140 We have closure. 713 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,960 We embark on a path of hope and healing. 714 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,640 The social media response is also divided and just as passionate as it has 715 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,780 been the whole time. 716 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,680 Undoubtedly, the most heartbreaking part of the sentencing are the emotional 717 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,540 impact statements given by the family members. They're gut-wrenching and 718 00:54:17,540 --> 00:54:19,780 they're scathing against Brian Koberger. 719 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:25,080 On November 13, 2022, a piece of my heart was ripped away. 720 00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:30,880 There's no way to ever fully describe the weight of losing my sister, my best 721 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160 friend. She truly did live every day to the fullest. 722 00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:38,680 Yet her story was cut short by an act of evil. 723 00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:43,700 I believe in a God whose justice is not bound by this courtroom. 724 00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:48,660 I find peace knowing that judgment ultimately belongs to him. 725 00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:51,600 Maddie was my first grandchild. 726 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:58,460 When the four kids were murdered, the foundation fell out of our world. 727 00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,640 A dead killer doesn't kill again. 728 00:55:01,150 --> 00:55:04,350 So while I'm disappointed the firing squad won't get to take their shots at 729 00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:08,350 you, I'm confident that the men in prison will have their way with you in 730 00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:09,350 more ways than one. 731 00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:15,490 Disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on the illusion of power. 732 00:55:16,610 --> 00:55:18,370 And I won't feed your beast. 733 00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:22,510 Instead, I will call you what you are. 734 00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:24,390 Sociopath. 735 00:55:24,850 --> 00:55:25,850 Psychopath. 736 00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:27,430 Murderer. 737 00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:29,190 You didn't win. 738 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,240 You just exposed yourself as the coward you are. You're a delusional, pathetic, 739 00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:40,580 hypochondriac loser who thought you were so much smarter than everybody else. 740 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,400 If you hadn't attacked them in their sleep, in the middle of the night, like 741 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,640 a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your fucking ass. 742 00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,620 They are everything that you could never be. 743 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:58,440 Loved, accepted, vibrant, accomplished, brave, and powerful. 744 00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:03,200 Today, we are here to finish what you started. 745 00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:09,060 Today, we are here to prove to the world that you picked the wrong families, the 746 00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:13,320 wrong state, the wrong police officers, the wrong community. 747 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,360 You tried to break our community apart. 748 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:21,660 Instead, your actions have united everyone and they're discussed for you. 749 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:31,080 Even though it's been years since the deaths of Kaylee and Madison and Ethan 750 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,960 and Zanna, there is an overwhelming feeling of closure. 751 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,460 This case reminds us why we answer that call, why we stand for victims, why we 752 00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:47,340 fight. In this case, why we fight pure evil and why we keep going. 753 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,860 On behalf of the FBI, we offer our deepest condolences to the families of 754 00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:55,160 Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves. 755 00:56:55,710 --> 00:57:00,490 zanner canoodle and ethan chapin the culmination of this case was a long time 756 00:57:00,490 --> 00:57:06,030 coming and we hope the victims families and friends have some sense of peace in 757 00:57:06,030 --> 00:57:10,750 knowing that brian coberger is being held responsible and accountable for his 758 00:57:10,750 --> 00:57:15,450 heinous actions you know especially during the sentencing my my mind and my 759 00:57:15,450 --> 00:57:20,270 heart was with the families it's absolutely unimaginable what they have 760 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:23,650 gone through and will continue to go through because this isn't over for them 761 00:57:23,650 --> 00:57:30,520 it never will be I cannot imagine losing someone, especially a child, and 762 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,600 especially in that manner. 763 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,600 I just, I can't fathom it. 764 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:39,760 Without a trial, without a statement from Brian Koberger, there are still so 765 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,100 many questions in this case. 766 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,500 The evidence suggested that there was a reason that this particular house was 767 00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,720 chosen. What that reason is, we don't know. 768 00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:53,660 Is there a reason why it's part of the agreement and it requires... 769 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,900 and Taylor to have her client sit down with you all and answer some of these 770 00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:00,440 questions. I have to be perfectly candid. 771 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,360 I don't believe that there is anything that would come out of his mouth that 772 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,360 would be the truth. 773 00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,900 It is a part of our history. It'll never go away. 774 00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:16,440 I just like to reiterate how absolutely blown away and proud I was of all of the 775 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,140 law enforcement and investigators that were involved in this case. 776 00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:23,060 Their efforts truly got us to where we are today. 777 00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:39,690 She was a beautiful girl. 778 00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:45,950 Santa, you will not be forgotten. 779 00:58:46,330 --> 00:58:49,710 You have impacted so many lives and have given people so much love. 780 00:58:57,010 --> 00:58:59,030 Maddie was my best friend. 781 00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:06,450 She was the first person I talked to every morning and the last person I 782 00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:07,630 talked to before bed. 783 00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:13,040 I love you so much. This 784 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:20,600 case 785 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,660 has become one of the defining true crime stories of our time because it 786 00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:30,260 violates everything that we think and believe about safety in our modern 787 00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:35,220 world. We live in an era of doorbell cameras, cell phone records, DNA 788 00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:37,900 databases, and near constant digital surveillance. 789 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:44,180 And yet, in the middle of a busy college town, on a Saturday night, four young 790 00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:48,060 students were slaughtered in a matter of minutes inside their home. 791 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,360 Even after an arrest, a guilty plea, and a life sentence, a major question still 792 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,260 haunts this case. It's the simplest one. 793 00:59:56,580 --> 00:59:57,580 Why? 794 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,500 Ultimately, the public's connection, their fascination with this case, it 795 01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:06,400 shouldn't be about Brian Koberger. It needs to be about those four lives who 796 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,400 were lost that night. 797 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:10,180 Kaylee, Madison, Zanna, and Ethan are familiar. 798 01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:12,980 We all know them or someone liked them. 799 01:00:13,460 --> 01:00:17,880 They're any young person doing any ordinary thing. Going to school, falling 800 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,220 in love, going to parties, making friends, having a good time. They're 801 01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:24,380 imagining the life they still have ahead of them. 802 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,520 Most murders are committed by somebody who knows the victim. A friend, a 803 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,460 partner, an acquaintance, a family member. 804 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,760 Not here. 805 01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:35,820 What happened here is something far rarer. 806 01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:40,890 These victims weren't targeted because of something that they had done. They 807 01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:44,250 didn't knowingly put themselves in danger in any way. 808 01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:46,410 They were simply at home. 809 01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:51,550 This is one of the more heinous and senseless crimes that I have ever seen. 810 01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:57,750 Brian Koberger had a period of time in which he could go back to the court and 811 01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:59,810 change his mind about his guilty plea. 812 01:01:00,350 --> 01:01:04,650 And now he wants to withdraw his plea and go to trial. And I'm not surprised 813 01:01:04,650 --> 01:01:08,130 in the very least. I've been saying for a long time that I could feel it in my 814 01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:12,010 bones that this was not the last that we would hear of Brian Koberger. 815 01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:18,450 Right after the news broke, the Gonsalves family issued a scathing 816 01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:19,450 statement. 817 01:01:21,110 --> 01:01:24,290 Maybe that's why this case is so difficult to look away from. Because 818 01:01:24,290 --> 01:01:28,190 beyond the evidence and the defendant and the speculation and the rumors and 819 01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:29,190 the questions. 820 01:01:29,740 --> 01:01:35,820 There is a fear that is almost impossible to dismiss, that there are at 821 01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:41,080 times no warning, that there's no mistake to learn from, that there is no 822 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:46,360 simple way to reassure ourselves that this can never happen to us. 823 01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:54,700 I think that the focus should now be on those beautiful kids and 824 01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:57,300 the lives that were lost.